Help reading marriage record

[gj09068]

Hello! I'm trying to decipher all the information on the marriage record below:

http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?s ... e=nei&ls=1

My ancestor, Lars Elias Larsen Erstad married Grethe Katharine Abrahamsdotter December 1, 1862 in Alta, Finnmark, Norway. Bridegrooms father was Lars Larsen...what I'm having trouble deciphering is the Bride's father's last name, Abraham .......? Would someone be so kind as to decipher that for me?

Also, are there any birth records for 1841? I couldn't find a birth record for the bride who was born in 1841....any suggestions?

Many thanks to you all!

Lynette Skoglund Kleve Linköping, Sverige

[6820]

Hello Lynette
I guess you have to look under Talvik in Finnmark to find records from before 1858. Also the surname Erstad was interesting for me, but might be from a farm in the north, where I am not Coming back.

[dn23027]

The link is not working. Here is a working one, couple no. 16 left side for those who want to help (I can`t read it all ) : Permanent sidelenke: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?i ... _side=-127

Mvh
Linda W

[6820]

Ah, lovely -
your Lars Larsen Erstad is from Ørskog (Oerskog) parrish in the county of Møre og Romsdal. I will try to work on that. But Lars must be related to my xgrandfather

Are you sure Grete's father is Abraham? Might be if the B is in the A, but.....

Lynette skriver du svensk??

[Anne Lisbeth Stavland]

Hello

I will try to translate some of it.

Title Name Farm Born Residence Age Fathers name
Bachelor Lars Larsen, Erstad Ørskoug Bossekop 35 Lars Larsen

Girl Grethe Katrine ? Allen 21 ?

Marianne correctly questioned the farm name Erstad. Erstad is farm name in Southern parts of Norway, among others in Møre & Romsdal. And there we find Ørskoug. So the bridegroom is from the farm Erstad in Ørskoug, Møre & Romsdal. The farm name Allen is unknown to me, but there is a farm called Alden in Askvoll, Sogn & Fjordane. That is the neighbor county to Møre & Romsdal.

Anne Lisbeth

[Anne Lisbeth Stavland]

Hello

Here is the baptisme to Lars Elias. Parents Lars Larsen and Berte Hansdatter, Erstad. KB Ørskog 1816-1832 s 114 nr 5.
www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=15987&idx_id=15987&uid=ny&idx_side=-59

Anne Lisbeth

[6820]

I think Allen is Alten, the old way of writing Alta, don't you? This was the days when Alta wasn't the main place, parish was Talvik, but Alta it's own in 1862.

There are lots and lots of Lars Larsen christened in 1830s so I better wait with that, Night now.

[Anne Lisbeth Stavland]

Hello

Here is the couple in 1865 in Tromsø. Allen which I believed was a farm name was Alten(Alta). digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/WebCens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=2&filnamn=f61902&gardpostnr=263&personpostnr=2623&merk=2623#ovre

Anne Lisbeth

[gj09068]

Ah, lovely -
your Lars Larsen Erstad is from Ørskog (Oerskog) parrish in the county of Møre og Romsdal. I will try to work on that. But Lars must be related to my xgrandfather

Are you sure Grete's father is Abraham? Might be if the B is in the A, but.....

Lynette skriver du svensk??

Hej Marianne! My Lars Elias Larsen Erstad is the son of Lars Andreas Larsen Aurdal b. 1798 d. 1855 and Birgte Marta Hansdatter Erstad b. 1794 in Sykkulven, Sunnmøre, Møre og Romsdal fylke, Norge. So the Erstad comes from his mother's side of the family. I don't have much info on Lars Andreas Larsen Aurdal yet or his wife.

But what I was hoping to find was Lars Elias Larsen Erstad's wife's parentage and the marriage record says that her father's first name is Abraham but I can't make out the last name...to me it looks like smitta? But that can't be right can it?

As for Lars and Grethe (Margrethe to me), I have the "telling" for 1865 and 1875.

What do you mean about "Might be if the B is in the A but...."? LOL I have no idea what that means....Ja, jag pratar svenska men inte perfekt....jag kommer från kalifornian. Jag gifte med en svensk man som heter Bo. It would be fun if we had a connection......Below you'll find a picture of Lars and Grethe's yngste barn, Inga Caroline Larsen min farmors mor.

Many thanks, Lynette

[gj09068]

Hello

Here is the baptisme to Lars Elias. Parents Lars Larsen and Berte Hansdatter, Erstad. KB Ørskog 1816-1832 s 114 nr 5.
www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=15987&idx_id=15987&uid=ny&idx_side=-59

Anne Lisbeth

Hej Anne Lisbeth!

Thank you for the baptismal record, I didn't have that in my files yet. (((KRAM)))

Lynette

[dn21262]

Hei. Her fathers familyname was Motdka. Abraham Johannessen Modtka and Inger Gunnersdatter lived in Kåfjord about 1835 and a few years forward. I hav,nt found Grethe Cathrines birth, but they did have 3 other girls. 1. Elen, born 8.03.1835. 2. Berith Marie, b.7.01.1838, d. before churchbabtism. 3. Britha Grethe, b.18.06.1840. It also was another Modtka in Alta, Johannes Modtka widt his wife Grethe Caisa Johannesdtr., may be a brother? Gullbjørg

[6820]

Lynette, what I meant was that the B in Abraham disappeared in the A and I had problems to read it. Sorry.

- I find his surname to be Muodka. From that I assume it is northern Swedish name - or Finnish.

As I search in my own database I find several Muotka and Muotkajärvi, they are living the Muonio area Finland and Enontekis.

When you have searched for a while I guess you and your husband might be related!

I will work with this and se if I can come up with something.

[6820]

Hm, am thinking that Caisa and Catrine is the same name, Caisa/Kaisa/Kajsa etc is the Finnish way of writing it.

[6820]

I am trying to search here HISKI to see if I find Abraham's birth or - something.

Adding more..............

Abraham and Inger's marriage 1835

[dn21262]

If you lokk at the census 1865 Kautokeino, you will find Elen Abrahamsdatter Modtka married to Mathis Mathisen Hætta. They got 2 children, and her father Abraham are living together with them. He is a widdover. The info said he was born in Alten, but he was,nt.
He was,nt married in Alta either. Kristian Fors and Alf Strømstad write a book few years ago, i think there was info about the Modtka familygroup. Perhaps you know someone who can look in that book, it my will give you answer. Gullbjørg

[dn21262]

I was wrong. Abraham Johannessen Muotka was born in Alta 1800 and was married 27.02.1835 in Kistrand to Inger Gundersdatter. He was son of Johannes Henrichsen Muotka and Elen Johannesdtr. Johannes was born in Alta/Alten 1761. They was what we called "kvener", it meens they have roots in Sweden or Finnland. Children: 1. Anne Grethe, b.1785. 2. Fredrik, b.1792. 3. Helene, b.1795. 4. Erich Daniel, b.1797. 5. Abraham, b. 1800.
There can be more children, i hav,nt looked. If you want, i can take a look in my paper and find more. Just tell me. Gullbjørg

[6820]

Gullbjørg - as you see at Abraham's wedding - Mathis Mattisen Hetta was the sponsor!

[6820]

:P Children: 1. Anne Grethe, b.1785. 2. Fredrik, b.1792. 3. Helene, b.1795. 4. Erich Daniel, b.1797. 5. Abraham, b. 1800.
There can be more children, i hav,nt looked. If you want, i can take a look in my paper and find more. Just tell me. Gullbjørg

That is something!, my ancestors came from Kengis/Kaunisvaara in Pajala and my ggrandfather's brother was Eric Daniel born 1829 (or 1836), had a sister Anne Grethe, brother Fredrik (he is mine) and several others.

Abraham must be a generation before, - this Eric Daniel of mine settled in Langfjordbotten, Alta, used the name Karlström.

Not sure who was the first of the familiy to come to Alta, there might be a brother of my gggrandfather who came north. (Have not come that far yet in the history.)

Hm, interesting, - not that many Eric Daniel!

[dn21262]

Marianne. Abraham ble konf. i Alta 1820, oppgitt å være 23 år. Det sies at han var den eneste av barna som var født i Norge. Etter å ha sett nøyere etter, så har jeg ikke funnet noen av barna født i Alta, men hele familien er der på tell. 1801. Jeg har funnet noe mer, men jag kan sende deg en priv. mail litt senere, så får du se på det da. Jeg har sett på Hiski, og Muotkafamilien er ikke å finne der, ikke denne delen ihvertfall. Jeg har ekteskap på både Abraham og hans søsken, så det får du av meg senere. Hei så lenge. Gullbjørg

[6820]

Flott Gullbjørg - jeg har en gåte der. But to be polite - as you see Lynette I have my challenges too up in the north .

I found Abraham died Gravlagde i Alta i delar av perioden 1735-1875, Abraham says to be born just north of Masi - some 50 km south of Alta in SUOLOVUOBMA (Suolovuobmi on the map).

[gj09068]

Hello Marianne and Gullbjorg! It's been a while since I posted...also I hope I thanked you both for helping me with information about my family. (((HUGS))) I recently received a photo of my farmors mormor, Margrethe Kathrine Abrahamsdotter. I thought you might like to see a photo of her.

[gj04866]

Can't get that link to work. Can you write what it says ?

Regards
Jack

[15839]

Var det linken til begravelsen du ikke fikk til å fungere Jack?

Begravet 11.12.1870. død 08.11.1870 FATTIGLEM, ABRAHAM MUOTKA CA 70 AAR bosted SUOLOVUOBMA dødsårsak ALDERDOMSSVAGHED .

Mvh
Pia

[gj10671]

Det ordnet seg med linken til giftemålet.

Johannes Henriksen Muotka og Elen Henriksdatter (ikke Johannesdatter som det står i 1801-tellingen) innvandret til Norge sannsynligvis fra Yli Muonio hvor vi finner Joh. Muotka i skattelistene i 1797-98. Johannes var kven og Elen var same. Den eneste av barna som er født i Norge er Abraham. Abo var kjent som veiviser for laksefiskere og andre og er derfor omtalt i en rekke bøker.

Kan sende et notat med flere opplysninger i en pm til deg Lynette.

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Johannes Henriksen Muotka and Elen Henriksdatter (not Johannesdatter as it says in the 1801-census) immigrated to Norway probably from Yli-Muonio where we can find Joh. Muotka in the tax records 1797-98. Johannes was 'kven' and Elen was sami. Abraham was the only one among their children which was born in Norway. 'Abo' was well known as a guide for salmon fishers and others and because of that he is mentioned in a lot of books.

Will send you some more informations by pm.

Regards
Jack Sture

[gj10671]

Lynette,

I'm not sure my pm's reach you, but here you have some words about, and a picture of, Johannes Abrahamsen Muotka or "Lille Jossa" as he was called - Abraham and Inger's son. http://www.altabibliotek.net/finnmark/T ... hp?kap=III

[gj09068]

Hej Jack!

Wow! I've seen Yli Muonio on a map! Now "Kven" = native? So was he native Finn or is Kven a whole other ethnic group apart from Finns or Sami people? Thank you for the information...So my line, Abraham, was born in Norway to Kven och Sami parents....so would he be considered Norwegian? "Abo"...was that a nickname for Abraham? Did you see the pictures I posted of Margrethe Katrine Abrahamsdotter and her daughter, Inga Karoline Larsen?

Many thanks to you!

Lynette

[gj10671]

Lynette,

Nice pictures, thanks !

Did you get my pm's - i'm asking because they are still in the outbox and does not appear as sent mail.

Regards
Jack

[gj10671]

Here you'll find a picture of Grethe Katrine's uncle on her mothers side http://www.nb.no/cgi-bin/galnor/gn_sok. ... ema=2&fm=4
and here http://www.ub.uib.no/bilder/bilder/UBB/ ... 133h_l.jpg
His name was Clemet Gundersen and it's more about him here http://nn.wikipedia.org/wiki/Klemet_Gundersen

Another one of Clemet Gundersen http://www.ub.uib.no/bilder/bilder/UBB/ ... 062h_l.jpg

And here a better picture of Grethe Katrine's brother Johannes Abrahamsen Muotka, about 40 year old. Taken by Tromholt, Sophus around 01.01.1882 - 31.12.1883. http://www.ub.uib.no/bilder/bilder/UBB/ ... 138h_l.jpg