Sigurd and Helmik Sigurd Tønnesen
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Sigurd and Helmik Sigurd Tønnesen
I am confused and not sure which person - Sigurd or Helmik Sigurd - is a brother to my grandmother, or if there were two 'Sigurds' in the family. According to what information I have, Sigurd was the third child born in 1891 to Helmik Olai and Cecilie Tønnesen (1900 Census has Helmik at prisoncamp; Cecilie living at Nygaden 84, Farsund). The 1910 Census for Helmik and Cecilie, now living at Brogate 11, Farsund, lists a 'Helmik Sigurd' born in 1910. In Helmik's estate papers, 'Sigurd' is listed as an heir and there is no 'Helmik Sigurd.' Another child born in 1910 would give my GGrandparents 8 children and we were always told they had only 7 children. Might Helmik Sigurd (b. 1910) be a nephew or grandchild or something?
Re: Sigurd and Helmik Sigurd Tønnesen
The one born 1910 is their son. Baptism here, No. 22.
Kildeinformasjon: Vest-Agder fylke, Farsund, Ministerialbok nr. A 6 (1887-1920), Fødte og døpte 1910, side 97.
Permanent sidelenke: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?i ... x_side=-98
Permanent bildelenke: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:NBN:no-a1 ... 010098.jpg
Regards from
Linda
Kildeinformasjon: Vest-Agder fylke, Farsund, Ministerialbok nr. A 6 (1887-1920), Fødte og døpte 1910, side 97.
Permanent sidelenke: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?i ... x_side=-98
Permanent bildelenke: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:NBN:no-a1 ... 010098.jpg
Regards from
Linda
Re: Sigurd and Helmik Sigurd Tønnesen
The first one born 1891 died 19. January 1906, buried 26. January 1906
No.1 on the page:
Kildeinformasjon: Vest-Agder fylke, Farsund, Ministerialbok nr. A 6 (1887-1920), Døde og begravede 1906, side 263.
Permanent sidelenke: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?i ... _side=-252
Permanent bildelenke: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:NBN:no-a1 ... 010252.jpg
Regards from
Linda
No.1 on the page:
Kildeinformasjon: Vest-Agder fylke, Farsund, Ministerialbok nr. A 6 (1887-1920), Døde og begravede 1906, side 263.
Permanent sidelenke: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?i ... _side=-252
Permanent bildelenke: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:NBN:no-a1 ... 010252.jpg
Regards from
Linda
Re: Sigurd and Helmik Sigurd Tønnesen
Sigurd born 1891,(the one you find in 1900census), is also baptisted Helmik Sigurd. So there were two of them, but the first one died in 1906.
Baptism in 1891.
Kildeinformasjon: Vest-Agder fylke, Farsund, Ministerialbok nr. A 6 (1887-1920), Fødte og døpte 1891, side 24.
Permanent sidelenke: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?i ... x_side=-25
Permanent bildelenke: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:NBN:no-a1 ... 010025.jpg
1900Census
http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/ft ... 7218000767
Regards from
Linda
Baptism in 1891.
Kildeinformasjon: Vest-Agder fylke, Farsund, Ministerialbok nr. A 6 (1887-1920), Fødte og døpte 1891, side 24.
Permanent sidelenke: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?i ... x_side=-25
Permanent bildelenke: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:NBN:no-a1 ... 010025.jpg
1900Census
http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/ft ... 7218000767
Regards from
Linda
Re: Sigurd and Helmik Sigurd Tønnesen
Linda, You have been very helpful; your comments and documents explain very well why I was coming across two 'Sigurds' in this family. On the baptisms, the people named on the right side of the page, I assume, are sponsors. I can translate the names relatively well, but does it also say what their occupation is? Also, on the Sigurd born in 1891, I can't translate all of the notations in the sponsor column. Could I please ask you to help me with that? Many Thanks. Margie
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- Sted: KRISTIANSAND S
Re: Sigurd and Helmik Sigurd Tønnesen
This is a Google translate link to the occupations of the persons involved.
https://translate.google.com/?hl=no#no/ ... C%20fadder
What you call sponsors are called fadder in Norwegian, and translated to 'mentor' by Google. I think witness may be another word for it? Machinist or mechanic probably works with steam engines on a ship.
Also, the last fadder mentioned is 'pige', which means 'girl', usually an umarried woman, but could also be a 'maid'?
BTW, here's Helmik Olai in jail in 1900: http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/ft ... 7216002954
https://translate.google.com/?hl=no#no/ ... C%20fadder
What you call sponsors are called fadder in Norwegian, and translated to 'mentor' by Google. I think witness may be another word for it? Machinist or mechanic probably works with steam engines on a ship.
Also, the last fadder mentioned is 'pige', which means 'girl', usually an umarried woman, but could also be a 'maid'?
BTW, here's Helmik Olai in jail in 1900: http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/ft ... 7216002954
Re: Sigurd and Helmik Sigurd Tønnesen
Thanks for the translations. I wasn't sure if occupations were what the other words were, but guessed as such. Not sure why they would include that in the church records, but it's wonderful information to be able to get! Yes, I've learned much about Helmik's imprisonment; he put himself in a sad situation. It makes me wonder how much that influenced his children's emigrations to America. He also lost a 15 year old son in 1906, although I haven't been able to determine what happened. Many thanks. Margie.
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- Innlegg: 732
- Registrert: 6. september 2012 kl. 16.01
- Sted: KRISTIANSAND S
Re: Sigurd and Helmik Sigurd Tønnesen
It is actually not unusual that they write the cause of death too.
On the first 1906 page of burials in Farsund I looked at I found that child: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?i ... _side=-252
Unfortunately there's no cause of death there. It would be in column 9, Opgiven dødsårsag.
One cause written on that page is 'tæring', tubercolosis, which was a very common cause of death at that time.
You should also be aware of that the church records usually are written twice - once in the minsterial book, and also a copy in the klokker book. Sometimes the copy is better and more detailed than the main book.
Hence, in the klokker book for Farsund at http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?i ... _side=-239 you will find the cause of death.
It's called hjertebetennelse, which woudl translate to 'heart inflammation', or Myocarditis?
On the first 1906 page of burials in Farsund I looked at I found that child: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?i ... _side=-252
Unfortunately there's no cause of death there. It would be in column 9, Opgiven dødsårsag.
One cause written on that page is 'tæring', tubercolosis, which was a very common cause of death at that time.
You should also be aware of that the church records usually are written twice - once in the minsterial book, and also a copy in the klokker book. Sometimes the copy is better and more detailed than the main book.
Hence, in the klokker book for Farsund at http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?i ... _side=-239 you will find the cause of death.
It's called hjertebetennelse, which woudl translate to 'heart inflammation', or Myocarditis?
Re: Sigurd and Helmik Sigurd Tønnesen
Thank you for all your help, Bjørn. Very good to have all the facts.