Andrew Petersen

[gj22477]

Hello there! Right, well my relative has been a huge problem to find, so I'm hoping someone on here can help me as it's literally my last resort!

My Great, Great, Great Grandfather was named Andrew Petersen, from what I have been told, he was born in 1856 in the Vest-Agder area (believed to be Kristiansand). He later had to move to Wales in the UK with the Norwegian Navy to recover the Norwegian shipwreck, Helvetia and eventually got married and had children there with a local lady (3 generations later came me). However, whilst recovering the shipwreck, he sadly drowned aged 32 in January 1888.

I'm looking to try and find any siblings, parents or relatives that could perhaps help me extend my family tree.

However, trying to find records has been a huge task and as some of you may have noticed, Andrew is not a Norwegian name, but this is his name on the Welsh death records, so he may possibly have been named Anders, Andreas etc. Furthermore, from some of the records I have seen, there have been different spellings of Petersen (Petersin, Peterson and Pederson). He would have been in Norway for the 1865 census, but I can't access that here in England - I hope someone can help me because I need all of the help I can get! I apologise for the limited amount of information, if you have any questions, feel free to ask!

http://trees.ancestry.co.uk/tree/47551093/person/6794733917/mediax/1?pgnum=1&pg=0&pgpl=pid%7CpgNum - Andrew's death record

Thank you very much for taking the time to read this!

[Anne Lisbeth Stavland]

Hi, on Ancestry I found one family tree where they had 4 children. But I was wondering if any of the children could be named after Grand parents etc. in Norway.
F.i. Ellen which is a common Norwegian name.


Maria
1849 –

Henry R Peterson
1877 –

Mary Louisa Peterson
1879 – 1954

Ellen Peterson
1882 –

Isabella Peterson
1885 –

Annie Petersen
1889 –

[Anne Lisbeth Stavland]

I was wondering if it was a an idea to also send your story to newspapers in the Kristiansand area. Some old people could recognize the person.

[Bjørn Kåre Nilssen]

He might be named Anders or Andreas. If you search at the Digitalarkivet for this, like Anders|Andreas and Peters*|Petters*|Peders* for surname, male sex and birth year 1856 and then expand Sørlandet area anc check for Vest-Agder, you'll get this search

Then you'll end up with only 2 persons, which is probably the same person, born in Holme (or Holum as we say today). In the 1865 census he still lives at home at Bringsdal/Holum, but in 1875 he lives in Kristiansand. working/living with Mikal Hanssen, wheelmaker and blacksmith, also from Holum.
At http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?i ... x_side=-26 you'll find Anders' church record (#12).
He was from Bringsdal in Holme sogn (parish), and was given the name Anders Holbek. This is actually quite unusual, as Holbek isn't a given name afaik, but a surname/farm name - and also a city in nearby Denmark.
His father was Petter Knudsen Bringsdal, and his mother was Berthe Kathrine Andersdatter.
One of the witnesses (godfather?) is called Anders Holbek Vatnedal, who most likely is the brother of 'our' Anders' mother? This also explains where the 'Holbek' came from?
Vatnedal is a farm quite nearby Bringsdal, also in Holum.
Here he and his family is in 1865: http://da.digitalarkivet.no/ft/person/pf01038182001803
He is a farmer and 'bibelkolportør', which means that he travels around and sells bibles.
Their father might be http://da.digitalarkivet.no/ft/person/pf01058338000212 ?
Anders Holbech, born in 1786 in Holum, at Møl Øvre, which is also close to those other places. This farm is apparently split into 14 different household, all listed together in 1801.

BTW, here Anders is at Familysearch:
https://familysearch.org/tree/#view=anc ... K_K89Z-49Y

That he just disappears after 1875 might increase the probability that this is 'our' man?
Maybe tracing some of his siblings might shed some light on this?

But then all this might fall apart if "your" Andrew was from somewhere else, or born a different year...

[gj17048]

Hi!

I think you ought to start by finding your g-g-g-grandparents wedding certificate. If the information about where he supposedly came from in Norway is incorrect, there are quite a few more candidates to look into.

Also; do you know the maiden name of his wife?

Regards, Bente

[gj09303]

Hi

I don't think Anders Holbek Petersen born in Holum is the correct one.
This must be him burried in Holum 1876.
No 10;
Permanent sidelenke: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?i ... _side=-210
Permanent bildelenke: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:NBN:no-a1 ... 630518.jpg

Vivi

[Bjørn Kåre Nilssen]

Here's a photo of the shipwreck of Helvetia: https://www.flickr.com/photos/hpb/5502378898/
And some more info: http://www.explore-gower.co.uk/explore/ ... s/helvetia

[Bjørn Kåre Nilssen]

Hi

I don't think Anders Holbek Petersen born in Holum is the correct one.
This must be him burried in Holum 1876.
No 10;

Looks very convincing!
Back to square one...

[gj17048]

....He later had to move to Wales in the UK with the Norwegian Navy to recover the Norwegian shipwreck, Helvetia and eventually got married and had children there with a local lady (3 generations later came me).

I think we need to break this down a bit

I don't think his wife Maria was a "local lady" as she is listed in the 1881 census as being born in Little Hand, Devon, England. It seems the family moving to Wales was not in direct connection to the rescue of the shipwreck as the ship went down in 1887.

So; where did they marry, and when did they move to Wales, as all the children are listed as being born there?


1881 Wales Census about Maria Peterson
Name: Maria Peterson
Age: 25
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1856
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Little Hand, Devon, England
Civil Parish: Pembrey
County/Island: Carmarthenshire
Country: Wales
Street address: 1 Carway Terrace
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education: View image
Employment status: View image
Occupation: Mariners Wife
Registration district: Llanelly
Sub registration district: Pembrey
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 5377
Folio: 21
Page Number: 36
Household Members:
Name Age
Maria Peterson 25
Henry R. Peterson 4
Mary L. Peterson 2
Ellen Peterson

[Anne Lisbeth Stavland]

This could be their marriage, same district (Llanelly).
Her name Maria Dewdney.


Name: Andrew Petterson
Event Type: Marriage
Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar
Registration Year: 1876
Registration District: Llanelly
County: Carmarthenshire
Event Place: Llanelly, Carmarthenshire, Wales
Volume: 11A
Page: 799
Line Number: 318

Andrew Petterson probably married one of the following people
Name: Maria Dewdney

[Anne Lisbeth Stavland]

And this is from a family tree on Ancestry:

It says she was born 1854 in Littleham.
Family Members
Parents

ROBERT DEWDNEY
1822 – 1890

No Mother

ANDREW PETERSEN
1856 – 1888

MARY LOUISA PETERSEN
1877 – 1953

[Anne Lisbeth Stavland]

Ellen is btw named after an aunt in England.


Ellen Dewdney
Age: 15
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1856
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Robert Dewdney
Gender: Female
Where born: Exmouth, Devon, England
Civil Parish: Littleham
Town: Exmouth
County/Island: Devon
Country: England
Registration district: St Thomas
Sub-registration district: Exmouth

[gj22477]

Hello everyone,

Apologies for my delayed response, you are correct that he did marry Maria Dewdney in Llanelly, they had children too and one of those children is my great great grandmother. But I believe Maria met 'Andrew' whilst they were both in Llanelly as they later lived and got married there.

Thank you to Anne Lisbeth who discovered the marriage certificate, which has Peterson spelt as Petterson; meaning that this could be an earlier spelling of his name, so could therefore be his surname in the 1865 census, although judging by the search results found by Vivi Bekk, I may have to expand my search to the rest of Norway on the archive results to see if anything can be found.

From Vivi Bekk's results, I thought we found the right Andrew there, but this person died in Norway long before our Andrew died in 1888.

I appreciate all the help you guys have given me, if you still have time to carry on helping me out then I would love that, it means a lot! I wish finding relatives was easy! haha thank you all so much!

[Kari Elisabeth Myhre]

In census 1865 from Kristiansund (Møre og Romsdal) there is one Andreas Pedersen born in Christiansund 16 sept. 1856.

http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:NBN:no-a1 ... 620231.jpg

Kristiansand and Kristiansund could easily have been mistaken when reading handwritten sources.
Anders Pedersen`s christening in Christiansund 1856:

http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/ft ... 8301000127

This may not be the right place to post this, could be that Ben ought to post a request under Kristiansund as well?

[gj17048]

Thank you to Anne Lisbeth who discovered the marriage certificate, which has Peterson spelt as Petterson; meaning that this could be an earlier spelling of his name, so could therefore be his surname in the 1865 census, although judging by the search results found by Vivi Bekk, I may have to expand my search to the rest of Norway on the archive results to see if anything can be found.

Hi!

It's great that Anne Lisbeth found this information, but this is information from an Index, not the actual marriage certificate. If a copy of the actual marriage certificate was obtained, one could find that it has the name of his parents written on it.

Regards, Bente